Importance vs. Significance of Penis Size Between Men and Women

Summary: Based on the disconnect between a woman’s response to men’s concern this is a meditation on how men use our own criteria for determining the significance of penis size to women.

In response to… quite a few other comments on an advice post at Em & Lo titled “My Boyfriend Has a Small Penis,” where the correspondent complained her new boyfriend’s penis was 5-6 inches long a commenter named SP said

Guys, really, 5″ isn’t a small penis! It’s average; no woman in her right mind would look at you and feel short changed.  I can’t believe more than 1% of all women out there would think 5″ is too small. I had no idea so many of you [guys] feel this much pain about this issue. That was tough to read, especially since I know your dick size doesn’t matter! Don’t believe the hype!

Read the comment in context here.

No wonder Em & Lo made it that week’s Comment of the Week. I say good call.

As I read through the comments it’s actually clear that while penis size really does matters but it doesn’t matter much. To women.

It seems to matter quite a lot to men, who evidently can’t shake the notion that it matters, a lot, to women. Yes, it actually does matter to at least some women too — else the original correspondent wouldn’t have written her letter to Em & Lo in the first place. But that’s not the same as mattering to everybody. Or even mattering the same way to those for whom it does matter.

Honestly, though, it’s like men worrying about preferences for chin size, or hairline, or chest hair, or age, or smell. (Aside: No need to do the cliché opposite-sex comparisons, and just because they’re popular doesn’t breast-size/penis-size analogies are a good idea anyway.)

What’s funny, though, is that some women really do only want partners who are older than them. Or want men who smell better to them. Or men with certain accents, or faces, or hair. Or, oh, say, “men who are not muscle-bound; men with more feminine face shapes, men with attractive faces

Yet men rarely take those “inadequacies” to heart. We rarely, say, compare our feet to other men’s in the locker room and worry that this one or that might be a better dancer.

Hearing that some women prefer bigger penises, though, puts an awful lot of men in a tizzy. Let one man’s penis be even a little bit bigger than another’s and reassurances notwithstanding there’s a good chance second one will decide the larger guy would be every potential partner’s first choice.

At any rate, I think the commenter’s bafflement nicely illustrates the difference in the way penis size matters to women vs. the way it matters to men.

Incidentally (and this relates to the comment thread in Melissa’s fascinating post about men and body image at Feministing Community) I think a lot of this derives from men’s self-indoctrination in Rule #2 of the bogus Two Rules of Desire: it is simultaneously inconceivable and intolerable for a man to be sexually desired. Lacking an understanding of men’s appeal to women in general we can’t locate penis-size preference as one among our partners’ many perfectly real but also perfectly flexible preferences.

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Also, women don’t walk around with rulers. I honestly have no idea how long the penises of most men I’ve slept with are—beyond “crazy small” and “crazy huge” I don’t really notice or care about minor variations.

The difference isn’t always numerical either. One guy I used to date, I have no idea what his measurements were, but it always struck me that he had a really comfortable penis. It just lined up right. That sort of thing is a lot harder to quantify (and I think harder to stress over, since different penises are probably “comfortable” to different partners), but a lot more important.

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“women don’t walk around with rulers.”

very fair point! I certainly don’t. ask me to estimate any distance in inches and i’ll almost certainly be off by at least 1…

And yes, size, satisfaction and comfort are not synonyms.

[Nicely put, QoB. Thanks! —fl]

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What’s funny, though, is that some women really do only want partners who are older than them. Or want men who smell better to them. Or men with certain accents, or faces, or hair. Or, oh, say, “men who are not muscle-bound; men with more feminine face shapes, men with attractive faces“

Yet men rarely take those “inadequacies” to heart. We rarely, say, compare our feet to other men’s in the locker room and worry that this one or that might be a better dancer.

Isn’t some of the anxiety, though, caused by the fact that all those other qualities are very apparent before you get naked and vulnerable with another person?

That is, if a woman only wants to date men with British accents, and I have an American accent, I’m not going to end up in bed with that woman. But if penis size is really important to a woman, there’s no pre-sex way to vet that.

Add in that straight men, in my experience, have very little idea of how their penises compare to other men’s penises, especially erect penises, other than in porn.

Not trying to say that men don’t worry about this in a way that is way out of proportion with either its importance to women or the degree to which they worry about other inadequacies. You’re right on both those fronts. But it seems to me there is a reason this, more than other things, makes men feel vulnerable.

[Based on references and my own (annoying) acculturated reflexes I don’t think it percolates up to the level where it could be reasoned out. I also don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of before or after sex. For instance you might not know how well someone dances when you agree to go out with them either, but it’s not the same source of anxiety. I agree 100% that it doesn’t make much sense that men base their own concerns on what they see of other men who aren’t aroused. Thanks, Chingona. —fl]

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I do sex surrogate work, counsel men on issues, and see A LOT OF DICK. SO MANY men are hung up on penis size!!! Even men who are 7 inches feel insecure! SO annoying! I blame mainstream porn. And the ONE chick in high school who teased them about their dick. Have you seen this? It’s awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCR5r6i1rQ8

MAN men love their dicks. Very obsessed. Relax, get over it, have fun with it. I hate size queens.

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Oh my god, that filament magazine… someone actually makes erotica with boys I find pretty. And here I thought they only existed in anime!

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My, the original poster’s comments on that Feministing post are annoying. This constant harping on “guys who are insecure about their weight”, when none of the comments she was replying to talked about weight? Yeaaaaah. Put the projection down and back away.

I’ve seen the stuff the guys in that thread were talking about. Male genitalia are funny-looking. Guys just don’t have curves, and curves are what’s attractive. Mmmmaybe a guy can be attractive if he’s appropriately muscular – hence all of the defensive “but I totally work out” comments! – and all male model types have a particular muscle outline.

I remember playing with one of those internet quiz things a while back that purported to be evaluating what sort of guy I found attractive, and the attractiveness of the male model types that were the only available selections didn’t come up to the level of the folks I hang out with once a week to play board games. It’s depressing that these ‘what do you find attractive?’ things don’t … actually … have people I find attractive in them; the models of what I’m supposed to be looking at in the unlikely event that I were to look (because women looking don’t exist) are limited to bored-looking underwear models with their penises concealed but suggestively bulging.

[Yup. I’m kind of stranded mid-post on a response to that thread. Like you say she tried to set the terms of the discussion too narrowly, but I just can’t put my finger on why I think she’s right to be irritated at the way guys are reacting. It’s got something to do with her point that body aesthetics have been decided by men, and that the male complaints are about those terms. Which leaves no room for hers. Something like that — I think it’s important but I’ve got to percolate it a bit more. —fl]

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