anti-feminism

Funny How Only Anti-Feminists Think Affirming Consent and Enthusiasm Would Involve Halting for Dialectical Discourse

Ampersand of Alas, a blog has a very cool contrast and compare post about consent as seen through the filter of nominally “mainstream” anti-feminism and nominally “edgy” BDSM. Read the original post, which I heartily endorse, to get the full eye-opening point. Read this post, though, for a quick dissection of the intentional misunderstanding common to anti-feminist descriptions of feminist principles.

Here’s Ampersand quoting a gee-I-just-don’t-get-it date-rape apology post from Cathy Young

Feminist critic Cathy Young, in the comments of her blog, wrote:

“I really can’t think of anything that would kill the moment (at least, for a lot of people) more than stopping in the middle of the mating dance for a clear and rational ‘consent’ discussion.”

Read the quote in context here.

In terms of the ordinary transition from neutral to lusty to actively sexual I can only think of a couple of circumstances where the kind of showstopper conversation Young frets about would ever be necessary. And since I think, speak, and write about sexual relationships all the time if I can only think of three then it’s really rarely necessary.

Before you get sexual? Sure, that’s a great time to have the conversation — it can even be an integral part of flirting. (Think of the game “I never…” only slightly more seriously.) Sometimes after sex? Sure, conversations to refine or clarify boundaries based on previous experiences together make perfect sense.

But during? While seamlessly transitioning from, say, dining and dancing, to maybe kissing in the cab or car, to standing at the door deciding whether one will ask the other in, to heavily petting on the couch, to slowly undressing each other, to slipping into something more comfortable… like a bed, couch, shower, or (heck!) even dungeon? Sorry, that’s usually pretty silly.

It’s silly first because there’s usually some lull in the action — while parking, say, or settling the bill, or while fumbling for keys at a doorstep where if a serious conversation is needed it can happen pretty naturally.

Even more importantly Young is being silly because (as Clarisse Thorn’s example makes amply clear in Ampersand’s post) you usually don’t have to have the sort of long, drawn out, and no-doubt earnest, detailed, and possibly stridently dialectical discourses Young implies when she says “clear and rational … discussion.” Instead there’s checking in. As in “May I?” or “Are you ok with this?” and “Not so fast” or “Mmm, more!” Repeated as necessary. Instead of being assumed, taken for granted, or ignored altogether.

Point being that once you get what consent is all about it really doesn’t take much to keep enthusiasm going… and if there’s not enthusiasm? Well what the fucking hell are you doing pushing ahead anyway without checking in anyway, right? If somebody’s just said “stop,” or “no,” or even just stiffened up and stopped responding then… um… yeah, you probably need to start a conversation but it’s probably going to be about more than “consent.” Sheesh!

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BTW, the three instances I can think of where stopping in the middle of a “mating dance” for a full-on negotiation of consent would be

a) When, without prior agreement, the non-initiating party appears to be playing around with “no doesn’t really mean no.

b) When, without prior agreement, the initiating party doesn’t appear to be getting the message that no actually means no!

c) When both parties have erotic negotiation kinks such that stopping, possibly repeatedly, to discuss minutiae about what exactly will and won’t happen.

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See also:Guess What Else? Sometimes Drunk Students Commit Rape and Then Claim They Aren’t Rapists In the Morning | Figleaf’s Real Adult Sex

From Asinine to Insane: How Social Policies About Single Fathering Harm All Parents and Their Children

Monica Potts of TAPPED nails the right policy solutions for an otherwise typically, sullen, stupid MRA policy initiative — “financial abortions” for men who don’t want to be responsible parents if their partners become pregnant.

This seems like the wrong solution to a very real problem for low-income fathers. It assumes men should be able to decide not to be fathers but that they can’t do anything to prevent it, i.e., using birth control regularly. That’s an argument for male contraception — a male pill, but also an argument for making condoms increasingly pervasive and expanding access to sex education. It’s also an argument for helping low-income fathers provide the financial support they’re required to by assisting them with services that would help move them out of poverty, or make poverty less devastating.

She said it here.

The problem for men is real enough. Aside from condoms, vasectomies, and not having fluid-exchanging sex there really isn’t much heterosexual men can do to avoid unplanned, unwanted pregnancies. And one result of that seems to be a sort of passive-aggressive resentment that meshes all too well with the traditional view that everything related to pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting is womens’ responsibility. Which is why I like Potts’ take so much.

Aside: This isn’t the main point but she mentioned it first: Potts is right that men really do need more contraception options. For all the whining about men’s irresponsibility for fertility I remain seriously confident that if men had additional options that fell between the permanence and convenience curves of condoms and surgery they’d stop being so passive-aggressive about it and stop being so blazé at other men’s learned-helplessness about it. But that’s not what this post is about. But I digress…

What’s even more important, and even less broadly recognized than the limits on male contraception, is Potts’s point that low-income fathers, as well as pending and potential ones, need financial assistance as well!

I don’t know how many of you have studied the history of welfare or financial assistance but one of the reasons it’s been historically so draconian for women has been a social construction that mandates men as providers. In the 19th Century aid societies initiated the practice of surprise and midnight “bed checks” of women with dependent children to insure they really were widowed or abandoned. The idea that an able-bodied man, no matter how destitute and no matter how unemployed, might benefit directly from charity was anathema. As was the perhaps even more shameful and/or “immoral” prospect of his wife and children receiving food or shelter that he “should” have been able to provide.

And who knows, maybe you could make a case that it made sense back when women could only earn 7 cents for every dollar of equal work men could earn rather than 77 cents today. But income parity really is converging especially in the low-wage/low-income environments we’re talking about, it makes less and less sense to do so now that the “breadwinner”/“homemaker” dichotomy is even more mythical than it once was.

Anyway the whole notion of a “financial divorce” from child-rearing is such a psychotically gendered notion in the first place! Current biases against preparing low-income men for possible single and/or unmarried-to-the-mother parenthood are also similarly gender biased. And in both types of bias not only do men remain alienated from their own progeny, and not only do they maintain assumptions about mothers as “nurturing” and fathers as either supporters or abandoners, they also rather perpetuate policies that are intentionally (“financial abortion”) or unintentionally punitive against women and children.

Kathleen Parker Uses Women's Studies Rhetoric to Attempt to Un-Man, Unseat Barack Obama

Via all sorts of sources on the left, right-wing propagandist Kathleen Parker of the Washington Post correctly (correctly for a propagandist anyway) disregards reality and history in her possibly-successful attempt to frame President Obama as “feminine.”


Obama: Our first female president

If Bill Clinton was our first black president, as Toni Morrison once proclaimed, then Barack Obama may be our first woman president.

She said it here.

Parker’s pretty good at wielding feminist and gender-study language and theory

We’ve come a long way gender-wise. Not so long ago, women would be censured for speaking or writing in public. But cultural expectations are stickier and sludgier than oil. Our enlightened human selves may want to eliminate gender norms, but our lizard brains have a different agenda.

Women, inarguably, still are punished for failing to adhere to gender norms by acting “too masculine” or “not feminine enough.” In her fascinating study about “Hating Hillary,” Karlyn Kohrs Campbell details the ways our former first lady was chastised for the sin of talking like a lawyer and, by extension, “like a man.”

M’kay, nothing you wouldn’t hear in a 1st-year gender-studies paper, and also perfectly true. Not too surprising either since Karlyn Kors Campbell was a pioneering women’s-studies professor who focused on the rhetoric and reception of women speakers in American political history. She’s also the part-namesake of an academic prize in Rhetorical Criticism. So good call on Parker’s part!

Of course as with all good propaganda she uses two paragraphs to cite credible people and accurate statements in order to make you less-critically receptive to the first sentence in the sentence that follows. Which would be

Could it be that Obama is suffering from the inverse?

Well, nice try but no, Obama is almost archetypically male of a type well-understood, admired, and often feared by socially or hierarchically subordinate men. See “father, remote.” See also the myriad leaders among aviation engineers, software developers, biotech researchers, research university employees, merchant transoceanic shippers, bureaucrats and technocrats, career-military, and industrial-scale, export-oriented commodity-crop farmers for examples.

The reasonable-sounding way Parker sets up her assertion, though, you could almost agree that his distant-father routine might… somehow… um… be feminine. Incredible reframing if she could pull it off, yes. Maybe she’s bucking for an award in rhetoric herself.

You wanna know how much of a stretch this is, by the way? Karlyn Kors Campbell didn’t just study women’s political speech, she’s also written about male Presidential rhetoric. And possibly since Campbell is still alive, Parker acknowledges a… slight problem with her attempted spin

Campbell’s research, in which she affirms that men can assume feminine communication styles successfully (Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton), suggests holes in my own theory. She insists that men are safe assuming female styles as long as they meet rhetorical norms for effective advocacy — clarity and cogency of argument, appropriate and compelling evidence, and preempting opposing positions.

Ooh, that’s gotta hurt your thesis! Barack Obama’s “feminine” just like… um… Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton? Oh yeah, that’s going to get you an award, but only if you can make that one stick. In the next paragraph Parker wisely relies on the rhetoric of uncertainty to express confidence.

I’m not so sure. The masculine-coded context of the Oval Office poses special challenges, further exacerbated by a crisis that demands decisive action. It would appear that Obama tests Campbell’s argument that “nothing prevents” men from appropriating women’s style without negative consequences.

Yeah, masculine-coded contexts that evidently weren’t in place in those crisis-free, no-need-for-decisive-action years when Reagan was President (1980-1988) or when Clinton was (1992-2000) but magically are today. Oh, and speaking of crises that demand decisive action, how ‘bout My Pet Goat boy from 2001-2008?

My Pet Goat collage From my Flickr account

But suddenly Parker’s saying President Obama somehow will finally be the guy who finally gets hit with the consequences? Of being to “womanly” as opposed to, say, too male-professor/remote-father-figure aloof?

Give her credit for trying. And give her credit, as well, for her women’s studies bone fides… which, incidentally, I think really are bone fides!

Parker’s pretty clear throughout her piece that while she’s criticizing Obama for… well… obviously like a lot of her peers she’s just throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks… but while she’s critical of Obama’s “femininity” she doesn’t actually see anything wrong at all with “womanly” leadership styles or, indeed, women leaders!

Indeed, negative reaction to Obama’s speech suggests the opposite. Obama may prove to be our first male president who pays a political price for acting too much like a woman.

And, perhaps, next time will be a real woman’s turn.

She’s not talking about Hillary Clinton. But only because Clinton is a Democrat, not because she’s a woman. She’ll support, campaign for, and might would outright prefer, a Sarah Palin to a Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney for President, and prefer a Nikki Haley to a Haley Barbour for Vice President.

Don’t underestimate the significance of this.

The patriarchy is alive and well, and women like Parker, Palin, Haley, Bachmann, Angle, and others are utterly committed to its maintenance. But this is not your father’s patriarchy!

Update: Oh cool, and professor Mark Lieberman of Language Log has a technical takedown of Parker’s factual assertions about “feminine” vs. “masculine” language usage at Rhetorical testosterone and analytical hallucinations

People Who Say "I'm Not a Feminist But..." Almost Always Actually Are

Although they’re from a couple of months ago these are probably the best paragraphs I read that week. They’re from Megan Carpentier of Jezebel on how she stopped calling herself a feminist and how she started again. I think it gets to the heart of why so, so many people (mostly but not always women) say “I’m not a feminist but…”

The professor was, apparently, a pro-life and pro-choice feminist, who believed that abortion was a moral wrong outweighed only by the moral wrong of sexism. And, once sexism had been conquered, the world would be perfect and abortion would no longer be necessary.

I thought she was cracked, but I was 19 and didn’t realize that “feminism” meant many different things to many different people, or that there was more than one way to be a feminist. Having been raised in a religious environment in which we were taught that there was one gospel, one Church and one way of looking at a set of issues, it didn’t occur to me that a political and social movement would or could be more multifaceted. I figured if she was a feminist, and feminists believed that about abortion, then I was obviously not a feminist.

But the March for Women’s Lives made me realize, very concretely, that there was more to it than what I’d been told: more people, more ideas, more ways of looking at the issues, more ideas of what was or was not a feminist issue. And I came back to the idea of calling myself a feminist, and what that meant, and the kinds of ideas, attitudes, disagreements and fights that the movement could both be and embrace.

Read the quote in context here.

I think this is a great example of the “I Can’t Be A Feminist Because Feminists Believe X” trope precisely because it is so rare to find dyed-in-the-wool feminists who also believe abortion should (at least eventually) be illegal. It sure beats the more common misconceptions that one somehow can’t be a feminist if, for instance, one wears lipstick or shaves one’s armpits or otherwise misses some item on an imagined mile-long checklist of requirements.

Since I still hear someone say they’re not a feminist because of this or that at least a couple of times a year I’d like to propose a good checklist item of my own: If you’ve ever felt compelled to say “I’m not a feminist but,” chances are very, very good that you actually are.

Andrew Serwer's Excellent Reinterpreation of Paycheck Fairness Support Poll Results

Best sentence I’ve read all week, check it out: A. Serwer of TAPPED takes mild exception to a recently-released poll touted by the ACLU as showing specific support for the Paycheck Fairness Act. Serwer says that while the questions in the poll probably weren’t specific enough to show support for one particular piece of legislation. Which is fine because he says what it does show is even cooler.

What the poll does show is that Americans, broadly speaking, think the freedom of getting paid for your work regardless of your gender is more important than the freedom to pay people less money for the same work because of their gender.

Read the quote in context here.

That’s a great sentence! If you follow the link to his post the embedded graphic shows a bit over 60% of Republicans answered “strongly support!” Nearly 80% of Republican answers indicated some kind of support. Of course the 20% of Republicans who didn’t answer in support are members of the hard core that’s been dominating in primaries lately. So if they win big in November (and that’s possible but not too likely) they may be able to block progress for a few more years. But Serwer’s point stands.

Feminism is Relevant For Men Because Patriarchy Isn't Zero-Sum, It's Negative Sum

Since I’ve been talking a lot lately about the effects and influences of gender bias, gender assumptions and patriarchy on men I thought I ought to mention a large, and previously understated premise: Patriarchy isn’t zero sum, it’s negative sum. Similarly, and contrary to an astonishing percentage of non- and anti-feminists, feminism isn’t zero sum, it’s positive sum.

I think you’d have to be insane to claim (as, say, MRAs, Heather MacDonald, and Laura Sessions Stepp sometimes do) that men are ever anything like as oppressed by patriarchy than women.

But you’d have to keep a pretty narrow focus to consistently assert that patriarchy is a net gain for men either.

And before you stop me right there let me stop you right there and say that because patriarchy isn’t a zero-sum game it’s a huge mistake to play it (as, again MRAs, MacDonald, Stepp, and others do) as an oppression olympics.

A mistake because, as I’ve said, unlike the aforementioned apologists I don’t think there’s any question who’s more oppressed. But a mistake as well because since patriarchy is a negative-sum game there’s more than enough losing-the-game to go around.

On the flip side feminism, even so-called “old school” or “2nd-wave” feminism, is a positive-sum game. It’s unquestionably offers benefits for women but there’s also no question that it benefits men as well. And not beneficial in the sense that if we (meaning especially men) stop dragging ourselves and other people down we get to some kind of tepid zero. Instead I mean beneficial in the sense that when the dragging stops entirely new opportunities are going to start popping up.

The most significant self-oppression for men, by the way, is that “for us men this is as good as it gets.” It happens to be a lie, of course. And, worse, it happens to be a lie men tell themselves. And, worse than that, it’s a lie men are… pretty aware is a lie.

The trick I’m working on is to look for ways to entice men to reconsider the lie. One way to do that is to try and articulate where it’s a lie. Another is to try and point out to some of the immediate opportunities the alternatives to patriarchy present. And since I’m not sure exactly what I’m doing, yet, I’m going to land on my face the way regular readers know I occasionally do. If so I’ll go back and try it again till I get it right. It just feels like the stakes are too important not to.

Women Who Save Nations Rarely Listen to West Bank Chief Rabbis

Lindsay Beyerstein of Big Think offers the briefest complete response possible to some patriarchal asshat’s attempt to return to pre-20th-Century gender roles.

Reflecting on a BBC report

“The chief rabbi of a West Bank settlement has prohibited women from standing in a local community election.

Rabbi Elyakim Levanon of the Elon Moreh settlement, near Nablus, said women lacked the authority to stand for the post of local secretary.

He wrote in a community newspaper that women must only be heard through their husbands.

BBC article here.

Beyerstein asks, simply

WWGMD? Or, what would Golda Meir do?

The aspirations of patriarchy remain alive and well.

Even in the Quverfull Movement Women Are Intelligent, Committed, Competitive Human Beings

I’ll just say that the women (and it’s almost exclusively women) who are making the arguments in the main post and in comments at Generation Cedar in favor of the proposition are not being illogical, irrational, or stupid for saying that a (not the only but a) reason women should try and stay pregnant is (I’m not making this up) to show the community that they and their partners have an active, non-dysfunctional sex life.

I happen to think the premises upon which they base their lines of reasoning are batshit insane with the result that their conclusions bring more harm than necessary on themselves and others. So I’m not saying I agree with them. Nor am I even saying “well, takes all kind to make the world” either. And in fact to the extent they argue or agitate that their choices should be imposed on all women (and by extension imposed on their partners and anyone else needed to take up the slack they drop by being perpetually pregnant) I’d oppose them… vigorously.

But there’s a tendency (around the world) to think people who do something you really, deeply, and based on evidence, believe is a mistake are deluded, enthralled, diminished, or coerced otherwise safe to dismiss as second-class or second-rate human beings. It’s pretty clear these are first-class and first-rate human beings who either have, or would have done well in college, grad school, or business.

They’re not stupid, or ignorant, they’re just really, really wrong.

They’re not even wrong about everything! They’re being a little (ok, a lot) dogmatic about the whole women should be fruitful and multiply thing, but no more dogmatic than other people can get about the overarching importance of women of not having any children at all.

And they’re certainly not wrong about the whole lower-case “it takes a village” importance of recognizing that community implies mutual responsibility and obligation as well as mutual support.

On the other hand I sure don’t see how even if they accept Paul’s (local, tactical) admonitions in his letters that wives should be to their husbands as their husbands are to God as some kind of claim that it’s a sin for women, or men, to decline sex when they don’t feel like it… or simply because their partner demands it.

And, whoo boy, I seriously don’t see where they get the idea that frequent and visible pregnancy, or not, is a more discreet way to signal ongoing sexual compatibility… or at least activity… to one’s community than, say, verbally checking in with friends, family, and confidants from time to time.

I mean, sure, if you add those last two bits as axioms for your value system then a lot of their conclusions start to follow a little more logically. Though since, despite a very conservative and Biblically-minded childhood, I don’t see the basis for those axioms in faith I’d strongly, strongly advise adherents to discard them.

And I suppose if you add a further axiom that for those so inclined, physically gifted, who can find the financial backing, competitive childbearing wreaks no more (but no less) havoc on one’s body or lifestyle than many other physically intense athletic disciplines such as career-professional ballet, track, power lifting or bodybuilding, etc. We just don’t see, say, Billy Jean King, Michael Jordan, Pikaboo Street, or Brett Favre recommending that all children be not only encouraged but required to dedicate their lives to athletics. Nor do they regard any other pursuit as sinful. Nor do they claim that everyone is physically capable of doing so. Nor do they claim that everyone should be pressured to succeed or die trying. Nor do they insist, at all, at all, that people should be forbidden a choice to participate. The women in the post aren’t willing to make those accommodations to themselves or to others.

But even that doesn’t make them stupid. It just makes them intense, uncompromising, driven, passionate, committed, fierce, gonzo, brave, adventurous, dedicated, persevering, rational in the application of their first principles, and a whole bunch of other words and phrases that have been historically used admiringly about men… if not so much, or so admiringly, about women.

Finally, all the above is not a random exercise in “gee, everything is just empowerment isn’t it?” I’m not saying it to somehow celebrate or admire what women can accomplish even when I disagree with them. Nor, as I mentioned earlier, is it a bunch of “takes all kinds to make the world” cultural relativism. Instead it’s to point out that because the proponents are intelligent and motivated rather than intimidated or enthralled to their husbands or ministers the task of persuading them to back off advocating their model as an obligation to be jammed down all out throats is more daunting than we tend to wish… or wish to imagine.

From My Draft-Post Pile: Quoting Amanda Marcotte on Rape Culture

Going through my endless backlog of unfinished posts I found this great extended excerpt from Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon about rape culture that (not surprisingly) meshes well with my theory of women as the “no-sex” class. (Clue: the culture of rape apology blames women for even imaginary hints of sexuality; absolves men as helplessly unable resist “opportunities” to commit rape.)

Rape culture demonizes sexuality. This was the big idea underlying Yes Means Yes, and I think it’s a valid one.  It’s clear that secular rape culture demonizes female sexuality.  Rape apologists argue that women are dirty sluts but ashamed of their slutty behavior, so they “cry rape”.  Rape culture looks the other way when men use sex to humiliate women, from cat calling to men talking trash about female bodies to score points with friends.  Rape culture also demonizes male sexuality.  While officially condemning rape, rape culture portrays male sexuality as inherently mean-spirited, aggressive, and out of control.  No distinction is made between a desire to fuck a woman and a desire to humiliate and overpower her.  Rape culture is one where men who have consensual sex with women are encouraged to see it as somehow getting one over on her.  Rape culture talks about men “scoring”, as if women are the opposing team, and while overt force is officially condemned, rape culture thinks it’s cute when men try to overcome women’s opposition to intercourse through lies and other forms of coercion.

Needless to say, the Catholic church completely agrees that sexuality is shameful and dirty.  When you think of sex as a bad thing, it’s a short leap to seeing it as a way to dominate and hurt others, including children.

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Rape culture is less a result of female oppression per se, and more the result of the exaltation of male dominance. Men are encouraged to see dominance as the defining trait of masculinity, and since sexuality is tied up in our gendered images of ourselves, sex itself becomes an expression of male dominance for some men.

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In a culture where male sexuality is assumed to be domineering and debasing, then some men will, for various reasons, skip right past raping women on to raping children.

She said it here.

I’d just add that to encourage men to exalt dominance rape culture is also to nervously admit that men in turn are dominated by their own unthinking and unthinkably bestial reflexes. Which necessarily implies that to whatever extent rape apologists claim they either hate or “love” women they also both hate and fear men. One more reason men should prefer feminism. Especially contemporary feminism which at its core is the startling proposition that women, and men, are neither property nor animals but human beings.

Craigslist Ad Reveals Misconceptions About Feminism, Jessica Wakeman Provides Reason For Optimism

And speaking of The Frisky, earlier this month Jessica Wakeman wrote Craigslist Dating Experiment: Looking For A “Feminist Man”. A young woman wanted to meet a compatible young man and got a good cross section of how people perceive, or maybe more accurately misperceive feminism.


[Alexandra ] Tweten posted her ad under the heading “Looking for a liberal guy”:

You are between 21 and 27, smart, and NOT a creeper. Do not respond unless you consider yourself a feminist/pro-choice. I would love it if you have good grammar, too. I don’t really have a type but send a pic and describe what we have in common.

Tweten received 68 responses for her Craiglist personals ad. Here are some of the doozies:

Real men do no [sic] like left wing feminists. Just saying.
Feminists killed Marriage and Trust [sic] between men and women. That’s why there are so many divorces and single parents in the western world.
I hope you wrote that ad from the kitchen, where you belong.
Well, I’m definitely a feminist: I mare sure they pay their own way, that they make the first move a fair share of the time, allow them to drive and make a fair share of the plans and decisions, even!

And my favorite:

I am a single white college educated 27 year old male who is a strong believer in Female Surpremacy [sic] and Feminism. I love everything about it.

Fortunately, the majority of Alexandra Tweten’s responses weren’t this bad.

Wakeman said it here.

Because yup, them dang feminiminists are all female supremacists and they invented divorce just to show how much they hate men. Because, you know, divorce only hurts men. But for once I don’t want to dwell too much on the negativity.

Wakeman says its a shame that Tweten chose not to share any of the positive responses she said she got. And I agree. The good news, I think, comes in the last lines of her post.

Maybe some losers got their jollies off by writing obnoxious responses to Alexandra Tweten’s personal ad looking for a feminist man. But I’m also inclined to think some guys just seem hella oblivious.

I think that’s about right. There’s definitely more to sex and gender equality than just saying, or thinking, or believing, or even being for equality. But once you start actually doing the work it turns out it’s both a little easier and a lot more rewarding than listening to people like Rush Limbaugh trying to define it for you.

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