Amanda Marcotte, again, about the ‘wingnut plan to build a “This is not a joke, I’ve spoken to a number of investors…“ plan to stick it to them Muslums and/or stick it to Liberals by building a “gay bar” next to the Cordoba House near Ground Zero.
Image via Amanda on FlickrI just have one thing to say. Just because their kids set them up on Twitter doesn’t mean they’re computer literate, or they may have done the first thing that occurred to me, which is to look and see if there are any gay bars within the vicinity of the Cordoba House. And lookie here, there are!If you look at this picture, and you’re not too stupid to breathe (sorry, wingnuts!), you should immediately see two things that make this whole “let’s put a gay bar by the Cordoba House and see liberal heads explode!” wishful thinking look even stupider than it is on its surface: 1) There are three gay bars within .1 mile of the Cordoba House and 2) They are all as close or closer to the Cordoba House than the WTC is.
She said it here.
Kevin Drum figured out the same thing from his home office somewhere in suburban southern California.
An even better poke in the eye for allegedly more fiscally-responsible conservatives, the first commenter on Drum’s post said
I think it’s called “Dakota North” or something like that.
Anyway, my recollection is, it’s not exactly the, um, most hetero place in TriBeCa anyways. Hope [Greg] Gutfeld’s got a marketing budget.
One of the first rules of starting a new business is assessing market conditions, including competition, at your proposed site. In other words even if they weren’t homophobic, religiously intolerant toolbags Gutfield and the “number of investors” who are lining up are crap businessmen from the word go.
Update Different context but see also Matt Yglesias on prominent conservatives’ blunt incomprehension of standard business practice.
Speaking of the myth of male indifference to appearance, while trying (I think) to be sympathetic to the plight of DebrahLee Lorenzana, who was fired for looking too “provocative,” brooklynbadboy of Daily Kos hits a bird and eventually crashes into the Brooklyn Bridge.
For men, it’s difficult to dress provocatively. Men have to go pretty far over the edge to provoke any sort of response, excepting for men in uniform. You’d have to wear extremely tight pants around the crotch, no shirt, and basically parade around like a peacock. Otherwise, for men, a standard issue suit or jeans and workboots constitute a rather simple workplace habit. In fact, for most fellas who don’t wear a suit everyday, casual dress rather closely resembles work attire. Personally, I grab whatever shirt, tie, and dark suit that appears clean and put it on, sometimes not even noticing various stains until I have my coffee. No matter the body type, it’s pretty difficult for a man to get it wrong when going to work.
Really? As long as I’m speaking of things, how about speaking of homophobia and homophobia-phobia?. How’s about showing up at the bank in a skirt? Or even just an impeccably bespoke-tailored lavender suit?
Even if you’re straight.
If your own homophobia won’t do it your fear of… provoking homophobia probably will.
You wanna know why most guys really wear “a standard issue suit or jeans and workboots constitut[ing] a rather simple workplace habit?” It ain’t just simplicity, champs, it’s fear.
(Note: Simplicity is one convenient, comfortable, and affordable side effect of homophobia and homophobia-phobia. But it’s still just a side effect.)
So speaking of feminism and men, y’know how in my pet theory of the dominant paradigm women are imagined to be a “no-sex” class, meaning they have no intrinsic sexual agency of their own and consequently their sexuality can be impounded and used by themselves, sure, but also by their custodial men as a form of currency for transactions with other men? And how the flip side of that is that men are the sex class, so single-mindedly… even no mindedly obliged to reflexively, animalistically, and irresistibly sexual that they “wake up so horny the crack of dawn ‘better watch out?”
It seems to me that if you’re sold on that view of men then homophobia is a twisted but logical outcome. Because if you’re raised to believe that you literally can’t resist sexual temptation of any sort but you’re not actually sexually oriented towards other men the… yeah, it makes sense that you’d be wildly intolerant of gay men. Because if you believe yourself part of the “sex class” then any hint of “temptation” must logically be scrubbed from one’s environment.
And similarly, if one believes men are ravenously, uncontrollably sexually impulsive then one must live in mortal paranoia that not only might one inadvertently receive an… aggressive sexual advance not only from perceptibly “homosexual” men (who are falsely presumed to be sexually interested in any possible opportunity for sex with any possible man) but equally uncontrollable straight men for whom, after all, must also believe “a hole is a hole.”
The notion itself is silly conceit mostly of straight men. Gay men, after all, having actual experience of attraction to other men, as opposed to imaginary fear of such attraction, don’t seem to have much difficulty controlling their sexual impulses at all. Or at least directing their impulses towards other gay men.
And it’s not like men aren’t mightily constrained… not like men don’t constrain themselves!... to avoid being mistaken for gay. And because of the violence and ostracism that goes with homophobia such constraint seems warranted.
And while I’d be the last to lament calls for increased tolerance and understanding of LGBT culture I’m now also one of the first to call for increased understanding of male straightness! Because, seriously, once you get over the idea that all men will impulsively “fuck anything that moves and some things that don’t,” and once you get that just like women men also have sexual agency it just seems like the need for straight tolerance of homosexuality could easily be replaced with recognition of its… I dunno… sexual irrelevance to heterosexual men.
Point being that diminished homophobia would be one more consequence of subverting the dominant sexual paradigm, and a consequence of diminished homophobia would lead to an increase in the range of expressive freedom for men, which is consequently yet another further reason why straight men (and not just men beset with “gay panic”) should be as enthusiastic about the benefits of feminism as anyone else.
Kevin Drum of Mother Jones challenges uuber blogger Andrew Sullivan’s justification for prying into Attorney General and Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan’s sexual orientation. He challenges Sullivan’s further assertion that it’s actually homophobic not to pry.
Andrew Sullivan explains why he thinks it’s OK to ask public figures if they’re gay:
If someone’s entire private life is on the table except that, it’s a function of homophobia. Period. A gay person is free to adopt such a homophobic veil; but a reporter need not enable it. So when does Benjy Sarlin write a piece on his own magazine’s “ethics”?
Look. I get why Andrew feels this way. And if that really were the only thing off the table, he’d have a point. But here’s a short sample of other questions that are generally off limits when you’re interviewing public figures:
- So, have you ever had an affair?
- Do you masturbate when your wife isn’t around?
- Have you ever had a three-way?
- Do you download a lot of porn from the internet? Or do you prefer buying it old school on the newsstand?
- I think Asian guys are really hot. How about you?
Notice a trend? They’re all related to your sex life. And [unless the interviewee brings it up] they’re all generally off limits.
I think that’s about right. For better or worse (I agree slightly with Sullivan that it’s worse) sexual orientation is classified as a type of sex one can be interested in (i.e. part of a continuum that includes threeways, masturbation, and, say, oral sex) when instead sexual orientation more accurately categorizes who you’d want to do some or all of those activities (threeways, masturbation, oral sex, etc) with!
I’d disagree with Sullivan, though, that the confusion of categories is evidence of homophobia.
So even though I completely get his point, in defense of Sullivan I’m going to give Drum a very mild ding for not using even more bland but still quite off-limits questions such as “Do you use insertable weights when you do Kegels?” or “How long is your refractory period after ejaculation?”
I can’t do links from this phone but this story has been repeated several times. I found it most recently on DailyKos.
Stephen Colbert: The Rev. George Rekers, this mastiff of masculinity, is co-founder with Dr. James Dobson of the Family Research Council, and he’s on the board of The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, or NARTH, which is dedicated to turning gay people straight again. So you’ll never guess who this alpha dog recently took on a ten-day, all-expense-paid trip to Europe. Unless…you guess “gay male prostitute.”
Ok, there’s a genuinely funny play-on-words punchline and sure the guy’s a hypocrite. Got that. But the substantial part that keeps getting missed isn’t that Rekers hired a male sex worker even though he’s head of a “gay cure” enterprise.
The real issue is that as head of the enterprise Rekers had access to literally all the best ex-gay “technology,” and access to the best support resources within his network, and a direct financial, professional, and possibly even personal reasons to take advantage of all of them.
And yet…
The substance of the issue isn’t its potential for knee-squeezIng humor or scorn, it’s that even under ideal conditions, and even for Rekers, “ex-gay therapy” didn’t work!.
(Signature: composed on a hand-held — pardon any typos.)
Three recent and/or current events provide a nice platform for examining if and when outing someone over their sexual orientation or inclination would be appropriate.
I’m pretty tolerant of outing figures who take stands against their own closeted situations. I’m not at all tolerant of outing people for one thing simply because they support or oppose an unrelated issue. So it’s particularly annoying to hear from Gabriel Arana of TAPPED that…
Looks like the nativist group Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC) is getting desperate. William Gheen’s rant at a rally “outing” Sen. Lindsey Graham, who supports comprehensive immigration reform, has gone viral. Though Graham has said repeatedly that he is not gay (just single), ALIPAC insists on pushing this line. The organization sent out a press release praising Gheen for correcting the “information imbalance”:
When you have a U.S. Senator from such a conservative state like South Carolina working hand in hand with Obama and New York liberals like Senator Chuck Schumer to pass an Amnesty bill for illegal aliens, there is something very wrong.
So ALIPAC thinks the only possible reason Graham could support immigration reform is because liberals are holding his “alternative lifestyle” over his head? The logic here is so bizarre I have trouble seeing how Gheen could believe it himself.
Arana points out that Gheen’s using the exact intimidation tactic he’s accusing pro-immigration activists of using. (No surprise there since projection backed up by self-loathing is central to conservative character.)
If Mr. Gheen’s behavior is disgraceful, Babette Josephs’ insinuations about her primary candidate Gregg Kravitz was merely graceless. Talking Points Memo’s Rachel Slajda says longtime state legislator Babette Josephs is backing away from her prior accusation that the young man challenging her in the upcoming primary in her heavily LGBT Philadelphia district is straight!
Kravitz, who says he’s bisexual, is currently partners with a woman. Josephs considered that enough of a “gotcha” to call him a liar and brag that “I outed him as a straight person.” According to TPM’s Slajda she now says “I don’t even care, because a person’s sexuality has nothing to do with any of this.”
Which, of course, is perfectly true! Josephs herself appears to be the most actively pro-LGBT legislator in Pennsylvania even though she also appears to be 100% heterosexual. And meanwhile Kravitz might not end up being as effective a legislator even if he’s not 100% hetero.
Still, it’s approximately as graceless to assume that having, or having had, an opposite-sex partner makes one heterosexual as it would be to assume that a former or current partner of the same sex makes one homosexual.
On the other hand, when it comes to cases where a legislator or other public figure is aggressively and actively antagonistic to their own orientation or inclination, as with the closeted sex-purchasing of anti-prostitution activists David Vitter’s or Randall Tobias, or as with aggressive anti-homosexual activist legislator Roy Ashburn’s homosexuality, or family-values stalwart John Ensign’s affair? I feel pretty comfortable saying that when you make it your business it becomes everybody’s business what your business really is.
Note: Some stories don’t fade over time. I’m not sure why I didn’t post this last December when it was still current, but… it’s annoying enough to be worth posting now.
The typical “gotcha” story’s already been circulated so I won’t go into much detail, but on the proposal to “protect” marriage in California even more than the loathsomely homophobic Proposition 8 did by outlawing divorce, I thought BarbinMD of Daily Kos did a great job interpolating her comments with a Associated Press newswire story
“Since California has decided to protect traditional marriage, I think it would be hypocritical of us not to sacrifice some of our own rights to protect traditional marriage even more,” the 38-year-old married father of two said.
Shockingly, the group that led the fight against gay marriage in California isn’t supporting Mr. Marcotte’s efforts:
As much as everyone would like to see fewer divorces, making it illegal would be “impractical,” said Ron Prentice, the executive director of the California Family Council who led a coalition of religious and conservative groups to qualify Proposition 8.
Funny how it’s suddenly “impractical” to peddle hate when the result would actually save traditional marriages.
Ron Prentice’s claims just smell bad here. And I don’t just mean his claim about impracticalities.
Note: Prentice is still blogging about the “homosexual agenda” at his “protect marriage” website.
Jeffe Fecke of Alas, a blog is as weirded out by J.D. Hayworth’s haste to leap into man-horse sex as I was earlier today.
So here’s something I don’t get: why is it that whenever people start talking about same-sex relations, members of the right instantly leap to bestiality? We all remember former Sen. Rick “Man On Dog” Santorum, R-Penn. Then there was Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and his box turtle lovin’.
I can’t find a link at the moment but I’m pretty sure conservatives have also brought up the creepy prospect of NAMBLA members marrying juvenile boys variation as well. I can’t possibly, on the planet, be the only person to see it this way but…
The really, giant, big, distinguishing difference between grown men or women marrying each other, vs. Arizona Senate aspirants marrying their horses, is that the law already allows men and women to marry. Whereas, at least as far as I know, there are no provisions in law for horses to marry each other. Same with dogs. Same with box turtles. And for good reason. In civic if not celestial terms marriage is an establishment of fairly complex set of legal, contractual, tax, and property rights, including the establishment of legal inheritance and even powers of attorney. None of which, again to the best of my knowledge, are recognized in the case of animals.
Note: As for the NAMBLA scenario, Hayworth’s native Arizona already wisely prohibits marriage of children under the age of 18 without parental consent. Even with parental consent children can’t marry under age 16. Although, disturbingly, Arizona does permit children under age 16 to be married with the consent of the parents and approval of a superior court judge. (That last bit may be a nod to the state’s large child-marrying FLDS population.) To the extent a state wished to forestall the NAMBLA scenario they could simply update their child-marriage laws to 21st 20th Century standards. But I digress…
Point being that whereas legal marriage can (and should!) be easily extended to adults of the same sex with very trivial modifications of civic laws governing marriage adults who currently are allowed to marry each other, before people could marry animals it would first be necessary to establish all the other legal rights and responsibilities for animals that are now the domain only of humans.
Update: Although via Neatorama.com see also Injured Dog Checks Himself into Hospital. :-)
Paul Waldman of TAPPED wrote such a wonderful indictment of the IJNNWACDI tendency towards conservative perversion that I’m reproducing the whole thing here.
Via Steve Benen, we see that former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, who is challenging John McCain in the Republican Senate primary in Arizona, has some interesting ideas about what gay marriage will lead to:
“You see, the Massachusetts Supreme Court, when it started this move toward same-sex marriage, actually defined marriage — now get this — it defined marriage as simply, ‘the establishment of intimacy,’” Hayworth said. “Now how dangerous is that? I mean, I don’t mean to be absurd about it, but I guess I can make the point of absurdity with an absurd point — I guess that would mean if you really had affection for your horse, I guess you could marry your horse. It’s just the wrong way to go, and the only way to protect the institution of marriage is with that federal marriage amendment that I support.”
This kind of thing comes up with alarming frequency from Christian conservatives. For some of them, any issue of gay rights is about sex – — hot, steamy sex, so hot they can’t stop thinking about it. I’ve always said that James Dobson thinks about gay sex more than any five gay people I know put together. And apparently, people like Hayworth think that there is a tide of perversion lapping at our levees, and if we allow a crack in the edifice of heterosexual marriage, it will come down upon us like a tidal wave, drowning us with its forbidden temptations. I wonder what kind of thoughts led them there?
That sounds about right about James Dobson, and one suspects Fred Phelps thinks about it more than every other gay man in Kansas. Any time folks start going into lurid details or taking their proposed prohibitions to extreme lengths there’s gotta be at least a little fire behind all that smoke. Another example, one with almost universally horrific consequences are the white slave-owning men who, while regularly justifying violence against African American men for their “lust” for white women, also happened to have unrestricted and coercive access to African American women. Another example? I always wonder what’s really up when I hear of another regressive state legislator proposing one of those no-exceptions-for-rape-or-incest abortion restrictions. For instance one wonders how long it’ll be before a weeping Glenn Beck upbraids the likes of me for being all nonconsanguino-centerically privileged and just not understanding that, say, Louisiana state legislators deserve grandchildren just like people do. Now I’m forced to wonder whether J.D. Hayworth would support this petition drive... or if he’d change the subject and fulminate about government having no business interfering with private property rights. $%!#%~%
(Quick note, plus attempted guilt expiation for quoting his entire post: I don’t quote Paul Waldman often in this blog but if you’re into politics and social issues TAPPED is a great group blog and you can find a bunch of his other posts here. I particularly appreciated his post Pro-Lifers For More Abortions from yesterday.)
I probably would have let this post continue gathering dust in my Drafts pile but this post by Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo about the peculiarities of gay closeting among conservative homophobes in politics made it percolate back up for me.
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In a post about arty films that at least in retrospect suck, Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon made a poster child of the 1999 Oscar-winning American Beauty. Which in an awful lot of the ways she lays out really did suck.
Amanda mistakenly thinks the movie was about the reduction of Kevin Spacey to a state of pure privilege — a narrative arc that begins with him masturbating in the shower and, um, ends shortly after we’re supposed to see him as some kind of hero for not having sex with a 14-year-old… when it turns out (surprise!) that she wasn’t as ready as he (and she) had imagined.
That interpretation of the movie always surprises me. And if you see it that way then yeah, it doesn’t just suck pretentiously, it sucks gratuitously. Look at it that way and everything about it from the pseudo poetic voice overs to the floating plastic bags to the abrupt murder to the whole he saw / we saw comedy-of-errors between the Spacey character and the dope-dealing boyfriend just reeks phony/artsy.
But I always saw it as a gay morality play where the happy, well-adjusted out gay couple represent true suburban paradise, where the self-loathing, desperate-to-pass closeted gay neighbor on the other side represents Hell, and the Spacey character’s obliviously “latent homosexuality” is the metaphorical battlefield between the forces of the good of being ordinary and out and the evil of the closet. Throw in that all slightly tin-eared representations of heterosexuality are the result of “colonization” and… well, I’m not sure that’s what the producers really had in mind but it’s a lot easier to appreciate the movie that way.
Anyway, after a bit of rumination over irony, hypocrisy and petard-hoisting, Marshall closes his piece with this thoughtful observation
...as Andrew Sullivan puts it, these are all examples of their tragedy of the closet. Not just the inability to live full lives and all the self-loathing that’s painfully obvious in these men, but the soul-crushing and character-distorting effects of a life of denial and toxic secrecy.
That sounds about right. It’s not the hypocrisy, it’s the toxicity that drives it.