sexual stereotypes

The No-Sex Class: "Male Orgasms Are Not Interesting, Of Course

Lovely, supportive snark from Holly of The Pervocracy the other day in an aside about social attitudes about men’s orgasms.

(Male orgasms are not interesting, of course. Because women’s orgasms are like intricate flowers blown in fierce waves under a sky of fireworks, and men’s orgasms are like “splurt.” Sigh. It’s tough being a flower, but at least my sexuality isn’t comic relief. Instead it’s the experience of the Other and must be documented for the edification of humans. But anyway.)

She said it here.

My version of this insight is one of the things that made me decide to invert the feminist “sex class” construction such that men are the “sex class” and women the “no-sex class.” Men are considered so automatically, intrinsically, reflexively, and obligately sexual that it’s just assumed that the only possible interesting things about us is when there’s something wrong with our ability to have orgasms. The top two being premature ejaculation and impotence, plus occasional grumblings about refractory periods.

But interest in healthy, non-dysfunctional, normal human male orgasms? Aside perhaps from a peculiar and probably porn-influenced obsession with volume, not so much.

One more bit of evidence, if we didn’t already have railroad cars full, that scientific and medical principal investigators are still overwhelmingly male.

That’s not to say that male orgasms will be the first thing women researchers tackle when they start breaking the glass ceilings of grant administration boards. But it is to say that women, unlike men, probably wouldn’t have the acute performance-related and homophobic “nothing to see there, let’s move along” anxiety combined with “I do it all the time how could anyone possibly be interested” arrogance I think a lot of male researchers have.

On the Impossibility of Navigating the Scilla of Too Vanilla and Charybdis of Kink Without Common Language to Map It

Holly of The Pervocracy, talking about normal vs. kinky brings up one interesting data point…

All I know is that if I have to sit through another conversation at work on the topic of “my husband and I are never in bed together and that’s awesome because gosh it’s such a pain having to deal with those icky things he wants”, I’m going to explode and tell them everything.

She said it here.

and one of her commenters brought up another…

Is ‘icky things he wants’ non-vanilla sex or is it sex at all? I’m over on the asexual end of the spectrum, and if I came out with something like, “Actually, I’d be perfectly happy to never bother with sex again,” at work, I would be stuck spending the rest of the season putting up with well-meaning busybodies demanding that I justify my marriage.

He or she said that here.

Pretty wild, right? If you’re “too” sexual (in Holly’s emergency-medical staff workgroup that evidently includes owning a vibrator) you get branded a wild child. But! On the other hand, as the commenter pointed out, if you’re not sexual you’re in for a world of scrutiny as well. All made worse by our general reluctance to discuss whatever “happy medium” it is we’re all supposed to “naturally” have.

Or, as yet another of Holly’s commenters, Mousie76, puts it

I don’t think normal, vanilla people know what normal and vanilla is like, because part of being normal and vanilla is not really talking about it.

Much hilarity does not ensue.

Sounds Too Much Like Monotony: Svlutlana on Monogamy as a Branding Problem

Also from 2008, Svutlana on rebranding monogamy (emphasis mine.)

But maybe monogamy just have problem with position. Word monogamy sound like same game that couple play over and over and over. Maybe need for change name for something little bit more excite so that more peoples want for do. Maybe rename monogamy fucktomonamy (say fuck-toe-moan-a-me). Fucktomonamy sound fun for do and little bit pervert at same time. And fucktomonamous sound good too! If no want for be fucktomonamous forever, for sure there is something terrible wrong with you.

She said it here.

First you smile a little and then you start thinking “O.M.G. you really would be something wrong if you didn’t want to be fucktomanamous forever!”

(She gets points for some good digs at the utter predictability of evo-psych earlier in her post.)

If Expression of Oxytocin Genes is Influenced by Culture, What Impact Might Slut-Shaming Have on Bond Formation?

Ed Yong of Discover Magazine’s Not Exactly Rocket Science blog has… discouraging news for abstinence-loving social “biologists” who hang their hats on oxytocin as a reason women should be virgins until marriage and monogamous thereafter. A psychology researcher at UCSB, Heejung Kim, has some interesting preliminary results showing that the human oxytocin receptor gene (OXTR) doesn’t just vary in between genetically diverse people*, and not only does it sometimes produce opposite responses in genetically diverse people but, uh oh!, even among genetically homogenous people it can produce different results if they’re affected by different cultural upbringing! Definitely not what abstinence ‘wingers are going to want to hear.

(Emphasis mine.)

The OXTR gene exerts its influence against the background of these contrasting cultural conventions. Distressed Americans with one or more copies of the G version were more likely to seek emotional support from their friends, compared to those with two copies of the A version. But for the Koreans, the opposite was true – G carriers were less likely to look for support among their peers in times of need (although this particular trend was not statistically significant). In both cases, the G carriers were more sensitive to the social conventions of their own cultures. But the differences between these conventions led to different behaviour.

And in a further example of the influence of the environment, Kim only found this pattern among people who were experiencing a lot of stress. In the low stress group, she found that Americans were indeed more likely to seek emotional support than Koreans, but their OXTR gene had no bearing on their choices.

Of course, Koreans and Americans differ not just in their cultures, but in their genes (including many others beyond OXTR). To account for that, Kim also worked with a small group of 32 Korean-Americans who were born and raised in the US, but were genetically Korean. Kim found that the link between OXTR and emotional support among these volunteers was much closer to the culturally similar Americans than the genetically similar Koreans.

Read the quote in context here.

Never mind that the plain old biochemistry says no dice to the “oxytocin exhaustion” theory. And really never mind that there’s also genetic variation in homogenous populations. Those are old school, common sense refutations of the “oxytocin exhaustion” theory of abstinence.

Although it’s a small-scale study which requires much larger samples to verify, he new-school refutations implied by this study would be (duh!) that like a lot of other nominally “behavior-controlling” genes, culture influences expression.

Call it a wild-assed guess here but I’m… pretty confident that you wanted to conduct an experiment on cultural differentials on OXTR in the context of romantic-bond formation instead of socialization under stress I think you’d find that the effects of cultural slut-shaming is more detrimental to bond formation in women than is their number of actual partners.

Traditional Marriage Surprise: You Don't Need to Force Couples to Cherish Each Other In Sickness and in Health, Etc.

So. When my partner and I first got together she was still recovering from the lingering effects of some sort of gastrointestinal amoeba she’d picked up while trekking through Nepal, Thailand, and Burma.

Ezra Klein explains both why arguments in favor of hetero-only marriage no longer hold up… and why that’s a good thing.

...Ross Douthat, as humane and thoughtful a supporter of traditional marriage as you’ll find, is not able to present one.

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The closest Douthat comes to an answer is to quote Eve Tushnet saying that “marriage exists in large part to structure how you behave before you marry.” The obvious response to this is that marriage does not obviously transform the way the unmarried behave, and the state does not enforced a behavior code as a precondition for marriage. No matter, Tushnet says, “in order for men and women to have sex with one another, to avoid causing a lot of disruption and wrong action in society, they have to do a lot of difficult things. The fact that a lot of them don’t want to do those things now and don’t even see those things as related to marriage is part of the problem, not an excuse to further move away from the idea of marriage as the structure.”

In other words, America does not currently conceive of marriage in the way that Douthat and Tushnet would like it to conceive of marriage, and in the way it would need to conceive of marriage in order for there to be a good reason the institution can’t accommodate gays.

He said it here.

In other words the tradition that Eve Tushnet values would first unnaturally constrain men and women into unnatural social and economic relationship to each other in order to make them seek what Douthat seems to feel is merely a differently unnatural social and economic relationship in marriage.

And the point of that would be?

Here’s the funny part.

The part that just sort of generally invalidates Tushnet and Douthat’s peculiar foundation for marriage.

Same-sex people don’t seem to have needed that peculiar double bind to be perfectly willing, able to have durable, long-term, committed, loving relationships with their partners. They haven’t needed that pressure to stand by each other. They haven’t needed it to raise healthy families. They haven’t needed it to be productive and integrated members of their communities.

And so, by extension, neither have straight people.

This is not an argument against marriage, obviously. It is an argument against the traditional notion of marriage as a tool of social control. And it is an argument against the exclusion of participants based on the sex, gender, identity, orientation, or bodily configuration.

A Microeconomic Case For Preferential Treatment of Underserved Women Even Though They're Not Essentially Superior

In comments on an early post, It’s About Putting Shoes On Both Feet, Not On the Other Foot: Courtney Martin on the Myth of the Fairer Sex, Zilla proposed a great mathematical model for why it makes sense to make preferential microloans to women (and by extension to, well, extend differential preference to underserved demographics of any sort) despite there being no essential difference between sexes.

Leaving out the gender essentialism arguments (either side) and the culture arguments, I’d say that when you target the microloans to women, you get more bang for the buck, because there are more good investments as-yet unfunded, on the women’s side of the divide.

The men have historically had more access to those resources, so far more of their good investments have already been found and funded. The odds of getting good return by investing in a woman, are higher because the women have been historically under-invested.

Suppose you have 10 men and 10 women. 8 out of 10 men will do good things with investment money, and 2 will waste it. And say that women are exactly the same: 8 good, 2 bad. Randomly select 5 men to invest in, and ignore the women. Of the men invested in, 4 succeed with their investment, and remove themselves from the pool. The 1 who wasted the money still has his hands out in round two. So now the people seeking investments are:

Men: 4 good, 2 bad
Women: 8 good, 2 bad

If you again invest in five randomly chosen men, your returns are statistically unlikely to be as good, as they would be if you invested in five randomly chosen women.

The more rounds of investment are targeted to men alone, the more extreme the disparity becomes, and the better a bet on women looks. With successive rounds targeted to women, the effect will fade, but I think there’s a long way to go before that happens.

Zilla said it here.

It’s a nice, closely-reasoned explanation for what I was only able to say intuitively. It’s also generalizable to almost any situation where prejudice artificially distorts economic, social, or political access. It’s not that women are inherently better investments, it’s that thanks to discrimination the men who are better investments will tend to have already been invested in whereas the pool of women who would be good investments has not had access.

It also helps highlights why any argument that we’d be better off just putting women in charge instead of men… or keeping the status quo instead… will fail: to do so would only switch the pools of the under- vs. over-covered; it wouldn’t increase overall coverage. And finally, it demonstrates rather nicely why, in the long run as power equalizes, arguments of gender essentialism or exceptionalism would tend to evaporate. As would incentives for “preferential” treatment.

Further down in comments Zilla adds

Even if you believe men are inherently superior, this works as a mathematical argument that women are the better investment bet in any culture that has historically favored men.

That too! It works even if you think men have situational superiority due to, say, greater experience or the benefit of traditional narratives for dealing economically, or socially, or politically, or whatever. (For instance microloans for women tend to be a lot more boot-strappy — more conditions, more use of network effects for enforcement, more initial attached education and supervision, etc.)

I happen to think economists have a bit too much veto power when it comes to assessing social interactions. But they do. So it’s nice to see an economic/mathematics rather than political or moral argument for doing the right thing anyway.

Update: The case is obviously, obviously not just about microloans. See also Stubbornella’s post, Women in Technology, plus comments there on the topic of Google’s decision to sponsor female students to attend JSConf. (Via Geekfeminism.)

"Person From Mars" Question About Oral Sex and Gender Expectations

So by and large, and in roughly equal numbers, both men and women report they enjoy receiving oral sex. It’s not universal — some people think it’s nasty, some people freak out at the idea of receiving that much erotic attention, some people it just plain doesn’t do anything for, etc. But then of course nothing about human behavior appears to be universal. But it’s pretty generally true: even if it doesn’t get you off, when done with good will and intention it it generally feels very nice.

So as I was drifting to sleep, thinking about, of all unrelated things, the economics of gendered microlending, it popped into my head that it seemed odd that cultural narratives assume that, when spontaneously offered, men are generally expected to enthusiastically accept offers of blowjobs whereas women are generally expected to decline.

I totally get that in terms of accepting such offers the distributions of rewards and consequences, of assumptions about reputation, of physical and social vulnerability, and all that are heavily skewed in favor of men and to the detriment of women. So this isn’t, at all, about whether it’s right or wrong, good or bad, or even (I think, importantly) true or false that men are more likely to spontaneously say yes than women. I even understand, very well, that men are generally expected to pretend to be enthusiastic even if they’re not comfortable or not interested, and vice versa for women. And it’s definitely not that I think all women should say yes or all men should say no. Nothing like that.

I’m just wondering if that would be a good index of just how out of balance we are when it comes to social expectations for men and women.

Thoughts?

I Get That Some Men Care About Women's "Number" -- I Don't Get Why Men Should Possibly Care

Thanks to the Two Rules of Desire and other conventions, that men must automatically know more than women do about sex. This affectation is not without its consequences.

In a lovely post titled “Don’t be a slut, you prude,” Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon calls out slut-shamer Susan Walsh for claiming it’s tawdry and irrelevant to discuss how many partners women should have, a.k.a. their “number” when in fact Walsh has discussed it. All well and good.

I’ve got a question though. In her post about numbers Walsh makes the claim that

Your number is too high. OK, fine, you don’t want any guy who cares about how many people you’ve slept with. Problem is… that’s most guys.

Read the quote in context, and follow the links, here.

Is that true? More specifically is that universally true? Is it true only for inexperienced or insecure men? Is it also true with sexually experienced men? Is it…

Well, admittedly an awful lot of men are sexually inexperienced, and a surprising number of experienced men are still insecure. At at this year’s Sex 2.0 conference Veronica Monet mentioned that when she was a sex worker a man paid her nearly $15,000 to help him learn how to give his partner an orgasm. Nor was he the only customer to pay her for similar advice. This, presumably, because they were anxious about asking their partners directly. For fear, it sounds like Susan Walsh would say, that they might know.

Anyway, seriously, what possible legitimate reason should real adult men have for caring about their partner’s “number?”

It's Not About Luck: "Sharing Domestic Tasks" vs. Just Plain "Living With Domestic Tasks"

Jay, guest posting at Feministe, just cross-posted something she wrote on her home blog, Two Women Blogging, back in 2007. It was good then, it’s good now. It begins (emphasis hers)...

“Aren’t you lucky! He helps around the house!”

Yup. He helps. Because picking up his laundry, cooking his meals, paying his bills, and raising his child is by rights my job. Of course, my laundry and bills and meals are my job, too. Along with the playdates and the grocery shopping and scheduling babysitters. But he helps! Wow!

“You must have trained him well”.

That’s it. Exactly. I held a chocolate chip cookie in front of his nose, and every time he washed a dish or put away a T-shirt I gave him the cookie, patted him on the head and said “good husband! Good boy!” until he wagged his, um, tail.

She said it here.

It gets better from there so go ahead and read the whole thing.

And here’s the tricky bit. For all the years I’ve been a stay-at-home dad, and for all the years I’ve heard people say similar things to my partner, I’ve never heard a man say them.

In fact in all these years I think the only man who wasn’t also a stay-at-home dad who’s really said anything about it that’s registered was my father who told me his biggest regret was that he didn’t have more time to spend with us when my siblings and I were little… that the courses for he and my mom had seemed foreordained… that I might never know how lucky I was. But I digress…

I don’t think there’s anything laudable about men never commenting on my “helping around the house.” Surveys suggest men either think they’re doing their part by bringing home the bacon, or else they think they’re contributing something closer to 50% of domestic tasks… even though the actual figures are closer to 25-33%.

But boy have I heard those “you’re so lucky” remarks from other women. And those “you must have trained him well.”

I don’t even think there’s anything particularly ominous about that either. Women, even professional women, even women who themselves have never done a day of housework but instead hire out housecleaners and nannies, perceive other women as primarily responsible for the domestic sphere. Even when their partners don’t hold them responsible for it other women do.

The point being that patriarchy is a co-ed affair. The point being that the establishment of privilege is too. The point being that it’s not enough to fighting stereotypes of women.

Jay concluded her post with

If [her partner] Sam were writing this, he’d rant about the people who think he’s “babysitting” when he takes care of his own child. He’d tell you that men who can’t be left alone with their infants should be ashamed of their incompetence. He’d repeat the story about our first post-adoption visit with the social worker, the one who asked him what parts of parenting he didn’t participate in. He always says that at first he didn’t even understand the question, and then he got angry at the suggestion that he wouldn’t be a full part of parenting our child. And he’s sincere about all of it. He accepts housework as part of his responsibility, just like it’s part of mine, and he loves to cook as much as he enjoys building fences. He’d also point out the flip side of this assumption – that he’s somehow less a man because he “helps”.

But all of that serious talk might make male privilege visible. It might make women actually think that they don’t have to do all the housework, that their male partners could participate and the world wouldn’t come to an end. And we can’t have that. No making the patriarchy uncomfortable; wouldn’t be prudent. Besides, I have to go set the table now. Sam made dinner, and emptied the dishwasher, and fed the dogs while I was writing this. And he went to the grocery store this afternoon so I could stay home and watch the baseball game. I am lucky; he’s kind and generous and he’s a damn good cook. But don’t tell me he’s helping.

It’s not just women who are “lucky” to have partners like Sam who’ll share the burden. First of all, it’s hard to even call it a burden when it’s shared — then it’s not about being a woman or being a man, it’s just about being alive in a world with entropy in it. Second, though, is that, as my father, said Sam’s lucky. I’m lucky. We get to do what we are good at, instead of what fairy tales say we’re supposed to be. Same with our partners.

The trick is that, sure, a lot of men don’t get that. But a lot of women, even women who ought to know better, don’t get it either.

That’s part of the work too.

Discerning "Date Rape" Isn't Complicated At All Once You Get That Sex is a Shared Experience Between Active Participants

Via Amanda Hess of Washington City Paper here’s a cool discussion about alcohol and consent from an organization called SAFERCampus. There’s a lot of good stuff in a single paragraph so I’m slightly reformatting it for clarity.

[T]here is so much defensiveness about alcohol and consent, as though it’s a really really complicated thing. And ya know, I think that for people who are aren’t raised to think about sex as a shared experience in which two people are actively, positively participating, it can actually seem that complicated.

But the reality is that it doesn’t have to be. Having sex with an incapacitated person should be widely understand as rape.

Two drunk people having sex should be aware enough of the other person to have a sense of what is or isn’t consent because they’ve been raised to respect other people, and it’s second nature to them to check and make sure their partner is involved.

I understand this is reductive; that it’s real nice to think about this sexual utopia where things are simple, but perhaps not a realistic picture of how things are now so what’s the point. But I think that we overcomplicate consent; people say that defining consent is making something natural more complicated than it needs to be, but really isn’t something only complicated when it’s unclear?

Wouldn’t the actions themselves be less complicated if we had the complicated conversations beforehand?

Read the quote in context here.

It kills me that it’s not obvious that sex is a shared experience between active participants! For all the talk about heartfelt-edness and intimacy and ultimate-icy our actual expectations of sex are barkingly unilateral. And it doesn’t just go one way — not only does institutional thinking from the original Code of Hammurabi to, say, Details Magazine encourages men to be insecurely selfish in their expectations about heterosexual sex, institutional thinking represented by, say, Cosmopolitan Magazine encourages women to be… insecurely selfless about their expectations! No hilarity ensues.

Once you get it that that’s the status quo, though, a heck of a lot of other stuff about “date rape” and “gray area” rape starts to make sense. Particularly the parts about “too unconscious to say no means yes.”

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